Can Brits accept Poles living in Britain?

After reading The Telegraph’s article “Why Poles love coming to Britain“, I was surprised with all the comments, both positive and negative, about Poles and the British immigration situation in general.  The conversation became quite heated, so, I jumped in with my own arguments.
The diversity of the comments was quite enjoyable.  It must be a different readership sampling or more involved citizens.  In any case, arguments from the pro-immigration group and the not-so-much-for-more-immigrants people, were interesting and illuminating.

It seems that Brits, as any other nation obviously, are quite disgusted with the freeloading hordes of immigrants taking over their country.  No argument here.  Germans deal with their Turks, France with Gypsies, Denmark with Pakistanis and Somalis, and United States with Mexicans.  However, British situation is different since a majority of the latest immigrants are from the Eastern Europe making them an easy target.

Why an easy target?  Because, immigrants from the EU member states are eligible for all the social net goodies enjoyed by the native Brits.  And that is the real issue here.  Speaking broken-English, fresh of the plane or a bus, newcomers looking for a chance of a better life, chipping away the status quo of the “regular” or “integrated” immigrants.  Doesn’t matter that an overwhelming majority of Poles are willing to work hard and establish their households to bring or start their families.  To some Brits, they are a threat.

For some reason, some of the comments marginalized Polish soldiers sacrifices during the WWII, mentioned in the article.  Perhaps Brits don’t want to remember this fact but Poles did fights on all fronts of the WWII, including UK.

UberNibbler: So 5,820,000 Poles, including 3,000,000 Polish Jews, or 16% of the total population killed during the WWII is not enough for you? Looks like UK lost 450,900 people or 0.94% of the total population. US lost 418,500 people.  France 567,600.  When you take the number of total pre-war population of Western Europe, it looks to me that Poland suffered its fair share.  How many unaccounted murders were committed on the Polish anti-communists after the war?  Well, that’s a book. So don’t you dare insult our patriotism.

zeppelin: The Poles were some of the best spitfire pilots that we had in WW2. I visit some Polish graves of some downed Polish pilots on Romney Marsh, and as far as I am concerned, we are indebted to these men who allowed us our freedom today, and we should remember their sacrifice.

UberNibbler:  First of all, the telegraph website comments are quite an adventure.  In a positive way.  Great conversations.
Well, since you started, let’s have a quick history WWII lesson, shall we?
—RAF No. 303 Polish Fighter Squadron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N…
—Battle of Monte Cassino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B…
—Breaking the Enigma code – surprised?
http://www.polandinexile.com/e…
—1st Armoured Divison – Polish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1…
—Cichociemni – “The Unseen and Silent” covert operation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…
…and finally, a nice summary of the Polish contribution during the WWII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…
As a first country in Europe, Poland took on Hitler and said no to his insane view of new Europe.  You can say anything about Poles but when it comes to the credit for our history, we take what’s ours.

pry: Do not forget the “doomed soldiers” of the biggest anti-communist uprising in Europe lasting till nearly 60′s.

UberNibbler: Absolutely.  To the West -  virtually unknown story of the Polish underground resistance during and way after WWII.  Home Army AK and National Armed Forces NSZ, prosecuted after the war and continuing fighting the communist regime.  If anyone wants to get a feel of that time, watch one of the greatest and most compelling movie released in recent times: General Nil (2009). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…  After years of half-baked productions, this movie, based on a true story of general Emil Fieldorf, shows the real deal.  Another movie, Historia Roja (Story of Roj) currently in production struggling with financing to finish the masterpiece, will tell another true story about Polish commander Mieczyslaw Dziemieszkiewicz.  http://ratujmyroja.pl After years and years of communist and post-communist lies, the true history of those times is finally reaching the light.
…since I’m on the roll here, people tend to forget about France and its sins during WWII.  Comparing to Poland, France shamelessly took the collaborator exit.  So much for the 1939 “power” in Europe. But talking fecal matter about Poland and our “weakness” is ok.  Wrong.

There are tons of more great comments for you to enjoy.  And one that gets right to the point of all that frustration with the immigration is from RodPolisher.  Great nick btw.  Read the articles.  If you dare.

Here’s 3 different families for starters…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…

Like with any society, there is some undesirable behavior.  That would apply to the immigrants but also to the Brits.  Nice counter from: AlenLemone

“UK man held over ‘murder’ in Spain” :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…
“Pictured: Moment British man, 32, is arrested in France for sexual assault and brutal murder of mother-of-three” :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…
“British man arrested in Spain on suspicion of murdering his mother” :
http://www.independent.co.uk/n…
“Briton arrested in Benalmadena for Tenerife brawl death” :
http://www.theolivepress.es/sp…
“Ten Britons arrested in Spain over ‘boiler room fraud’ ” :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-2…

For the rest of us, the number game should provide the best overview of just how much of a burden on the British society are the immigrants.  The IZA (Institute for the Study of Labor) put together a great document summarizing all of the handouts in UK.  You can find it here.
One fact that won’t change regardless of the arguments is: Poles see UK as a great place to work and live.  The big question is: can Brits accept Poles in the long run without prejudice?  I leave you with this:

UberNibbler: Please read between the lines. This article is trying to tell you something.  Legally, UK government cannot pick and choose between “desirable” and “less desirable” immigrants.  Will Poles have easier time adjusting to the British culture, religion, values?  Of course they will.  Poles are Christians, raised in a traditional country, share the patriotism and history of a national pride with the UK.  In fact, regular Polish families see UK as a perfect opportunity to continue their lives in a similar environment, bar the corruption,  distrusted political “elites”, and lack of good paying jobs.  Can the article flatly say: thank you white, conservative, Polish people for rescuing our country?  No, it’s illegal.  But deep down, we all know the game.  The game of racial and religious balance.  Why is Germany no longer seeing Turks as a crisis?  Because Eastern Block balanced the scale. Yes, all immigration brings spice to every country.  As with genetic pool, diversity is needed.  You can thank all the Eastern Europeans in about 20 years when their children start paying for your overrated social benefits. Don’t mention it, you’re welcome.

 

New superpower policing the world? Not so fast Europe.

The latest article by Anne Applebaum from January 28th, 2013 in National Post, titled "Anne Applebaum on Europe: The world's new superpower", inaccurate at its core, raised some interesting points about the EU's military capabilities. In short, Mrs. Applebaum claims that EU, with it's 27 member states, out of which 21 are NATO members, has the potential to match the military power of the United States. Perhaps being married to the Polish Foreign Minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, distracted Mrs. Applebaum from the rest of the political reality of the European Union.

Although the EU members came a long way modernizing their arsenals and coordinating EU defenses, the patchwork of member-states is no match for the global reach of the United States. This simple conclusion has nothing to do with being an American chauvinist or European Union critic. The crude facts and pure numbers may not expose the "new superpower" entirely, but the base of the EU weakness lays with the member states.

According to SIPRI Yearbook 2012, quoted in the euobserver.com, United States military spending was $711billion comparing to $496 billion of all 27 European Union members. EU spending sounds impressive until it's broken down to individual countries. United Kingdom ($62.7 billion), France ($62.5 billion), Germany ($46.7 billion), and Italy ($34.5 billion), top the list of the highest EU spenders. Proportionally to their size, rest of the EU members spend much less individually.

Right there, the numbers tell the half of the story. Only UK and France have the real muscle to conduct any real war effort. Short-lived that is, of course. Wiki provides even more info about the number of troops, planes, aircraft careers, submarines, tanks, and so on. Some counties look better than other. Poland for example, with it's recently purchased F-16s, and $9.7 billion military budget, looks like a bigger player among the former Eastern Block.

But what's more important than equipment and military budgets? In short, different agendas of the former colonial powers versus rest of the Europe.

Fighting terrorist in Mali by French using, most likely, the Foreign Legion, has too much of the cleanup undertone. Perhaps a deeper feeling of a colonial remorse? The world admires France for standing up to the al-Qaeda with the solders hitching a ride on whatever transport planes they could scramble from the US and private companies. However, hitchhiking is not a superpower. Besides, with 10% of the French population being Muslim, it's obvious that France just taking care of the business before the flames spread too close to home.

For counties like Slovenia, Hungary, Denmark, Poland, Belgium, this war is a distant conflict not worth loosing human lives and money. Yes, some counties will express support, lend some planes, but involving their soldiers in this war is just not worth the trouble. And why not you may ask? First of all, the myopic view of the Muslim extremists danger and secondly, because the United States kept out of this futile escapade. Let's be honest, without a full US support, chances of a prompt victory are limited. In reality, Mali could become another Afghanistan where today's allies become tomorrow's enemies.

Sooner or later, US will loose interest in Europe or NATO, and by then, one would hope EU is prepared to take over the real job of protecting the Old Continent. But that just it - the Old Continent.